Rachel Milsom - Middle East

Return from East Timor

I did find it hard settling back home. I found that, yeah, it was just, I felt like I just needed to jump back in and get on with things, but probably didn't recognise in myself that I needed a bit of time and probably a bit more support than I recognised in myself that I needed at the time, you know, hindsight's a great thing, but jumped into a different role when I got home. So, it was interesting.

I was doing a bit more public relations around F-111s. We were doing reseal-deseal inquiry at the time and we had some big exercises coming up, so I sort of settled in and really relied on my friends and family at the time and just sort of put it all aside, I think … So, when I first got back, I was still working in F-111s with 82 Wing and Strike Reconnaissance Group …

So, that was the wing responsible for 1 and 6 Squadron with F-111s at the time and back then it was Strike Reconnaissance Group, which eventually became Air Combat Group. So, it was a really interesting time sort of coming back to Amberley and then from there I ended up going down to Information Operations Squadron in Canberra.

Information Operations Squadron

We were working alongside our Intelligence Squadron, so working, looking at different parts of enhancing and supporting the way in which information is disseminated and collected, but also just denying, disrupting on the psychological operations side, some of the tactical electronic warfare side.

So quite a breadth of different skills. It was a brand-new squadron, so we were still trying to bed down where we fitted as Air Force alongside Navy and Army which already had similar tactical electronic warfare and information operations roles.

My job was working in psychological operations, so looking at doing some of the disrupting and denying on various exercises and trying to look at how we were going to support our commanders in using that as one of the tools in their toolbox when we were deployed …

Going back to, you know, World War Two, that's when you used to have your letter drops from the sky and use of the media to be able to demonize particular leaders or countries, political cartoons, all of those sorts of things are sort of on that realm of how you can change people's perception about either supporting or not supporting a particular country or decision maker or how things are being done.

So, for us on some of the exercises, we were looking at ways in which we could see if we could get into the decision-making loop of commanders by putting information out there that, to see whether it would affect some of the decision making.

So, it was a tool. It's heavily governed by, you know, laws of armed conflict and some of the ways in which, because obviously it's another form of attack, so, it was really making sure that what we were doing and the ways we were doing it was working for the Redfor side and then on the Bluefor side, making sure that we were getting popular support for decisions that were being done, making sure that we were presenting the right sort of stories about what we were doing to build and enhance and support whatever the particular exercise was as well, whether it was building a hospital or a road or, you know, using some of those examples from real operations that we've been on and making sure we were getting that out there.

So, we were building support … to see if we could, you know, put out there information about where we were located, whether we were or weren't, how strong we were as a force. It's really about still being able to have that element of surprise from our perspective, from our force side and making sure that, you know, we were keeping them on their toes and not being predictable, not continuing normal pattern.

So, it was really trying to help, you know, disrupt the flow and not seem to be doing the same thing that we've always done or putting out information that we were going to be somewhere else, you know, in a real deceptive way and, you know, that old story of, you know, flanking round the back kind of attitude of, you know, how we were doing something … So, mine was a pretty unique little role in that. There were lots of parts of that squadron in how they worked and supported Air Force, but that was my area … It was more for forces.

So, you know, trying to maybe discredit the decision making abilities of their own command, you know, it was more not so much from our perspective because we were very small trying to, because there's sort of the black and white and there's the grey.

So, the grey is sort of on the enemy side but then information operations, you would make sure that, say, your public affairs or your public relations arm is working in really closely with operational decision making to make sure things weren't getting out there that was going to give away what we were doing.

So, you know, some of it was very, it was more about having a a collegiate sort of approach as opposed to a stovepipe approach, making sure that, you know, we were all working together to support our commander's decision making and operational integrity and not release things that, you know, that we didn't need out there straight away or, you know, again, to protect not only the mission, but to protect our people … but it was just to see what we could do, how we could affect. So, it was still a very trial capability, but it was nice to be part of the beginning of that particular squadron.

Defence Intelligence Wing

It was one of those places I did a lot of my initial training and subsequent training through there and you always feel that you'll never go back to those places again and here I was four years at Canungra and really enjoyed my time there instructing. I did two years with the Air Intelligence Wing and then I did two years with the Defence Intelligence Wing and also got to do some overseas training courses for, as part of the Defence Cooperation Program for some of our neighbouring countries but it was a really interesting time when I went through my training.

We hadn't deployed. We hadn't gone somewhere for a very long time and really, the training that I was, you know, I was instructing when I got back, it was a different space. We were training, you know, our junior aviators and officers to deploy and so there was this real sense of importance around making sure that they were skilled and equipped to be able to go straight into a flying squadron and be able to brief confidently and capably to protect the squadron and to execute a plan and target the right things and so, in the end, there was a lot of a lot of responsibility in that as well …

When the courses are in, you know, there's late nights because you're expecting them to be, you know, preparing briefs to be able to brief a commander or aircrew and you've got to be on hand to be able to answer questions and, you know, nudge them in the right direction or provide a different perspective. So, they were really long days. Those courses were up to 20 weeks. We ran one a year alongside some of other courses but that that big course, that, Air Intelligence Operators course for officers was a really big course.

Living on base at Canungra

A lot of the staff that work there, a lot lived down on the Gold Coast but because of where the base is, it has a very strong sort of live in presence of students when they're there because it is a training base, you know, you do start making your own fun.

You use the mess a lot more. So, it's probably more of a traditional base in that way. You're at the mess a lot more. You're watching television there. You're going to the gym, you're going to the swimming pool, but you do go into town.

Trivia night at the pub was always a big one but, you know, it was a good base too, from being able to get away, get down the beach on a weekend or go exploring up Mount Tamborine or into some of the national parks around there. It was a good place to be able to switch off when you could and actually go and have a break somewhere from the training … I was there for quite some time.

The Defence Intelligence Wing courses that I did, it was sort of some basic analysis courses. So, I got to teach foreign students that came in, but I also got to go to Malaysia, Thailand and Philippines teaching those courses, which was pretty interesting, to their forces and sort of manage that through language barriers at times and had translators and just came up with some different ways of thinking and analysing information …

And what was really interesting is you would deliver the course in English and seeing the dynamics, particularly in some of those Asian countries where some of the older, more senior military personnel really relied on the younger ones that had better English.

So that was a real dynamic change for them as well and then when they went and did all of their group work or discussing of exercises, sometimes that was in their own language and so we weren't able to go around and really work out what they were doing apart from what we could see, they were putting up on the board or something. So, it was really interesting then sometimes to see their approach and how they would solve some of the problems in case studies that we gave them.

So, it was interesting … we did one particular course in Malaysia and it was just army and just male serving members and, you know, a lot of the younger officers wouldn't question, you know, lieutenant colonels, colonels in the room. You went in there and it was all old school teaching, you know, your single seat with the pull up a desk and they were all in rows and the first thing we would do is get them to sit in, you know, form little groups.

Well, by the end of the course, they were all talking and sharing ideas and you could really see that the more junior officers were willing to speak up and say, “Hey, how about this as an idea?” And you could also see that some of the more senior officers in the room were willing to listen, didn't necessarily take the opinions on board but, you know, but you could see that there was more interaction, which by the nature of just being able to have that group think on certain things, it does change the way in which you do your analysis, make your decisions.

So, from that perspective, you know, we saw that as a very successful course. The Philippines was very interesting because we had customs in there too, and we had some civilian defence personnel in there as well and those environments were really interesting and it was really chatty. So, almost chalk and cheese in the different approaches and then when we had some courses where there were multinational participants, again, that was really curious to watch how the dynamics of the varying nations and how they all worked in together and the different ways in which they presented information.

Al Udeid Air Base, Qatar

Because I'd had Zachary, my son, I hadn't been away yet. I hadn't deployed since East Timor and as an intelligence officer, I guess you do all of this training and also I'd been training young officers who had all deployed, that you just want to make sure, there's that feeling, that sense of, “I hope I can do the job when it really counts.”

All that training that I've had, that I can actually do what I've trained for and so there was this real sense of wanting to go, but then also that trepidation of leaving my son, he was only just two when I went away and I ended up going in as the A2, which was the lead air intelligence officer for both Operation Catalyst and Slipper and all of our air assets, both Air Force, Army and Navy in theatre.

So, it was a very big role and it was co-located inside an American Air Force command. So, I was sort of the liaison and the A2 at Al Udeid Air Force Base. It was huge, you know, I guess there was that whole, you rock up, everything's beige. It's the desert. There's just no green and just a sea of tents and just this amazing apron full of aircraft that are all sort of Tetrised in to be able to be there. There were over 15,000 people.

So, just wrapping your head around the fact that you're on a base with more people than is in our Air Force was just an astounding kind of number and then, you know, jumping straight in and then providing product to out to our units and making sure we're giving them the best intelligence information we can for them to disseminate to their aircrews that are going to be flying.

Like it was just, you know, it was quite astounding. So, we had, at the time, we had Hercs, P-3 Orions. We had Army helicopters that came in and supported medical evacuation in Afghanistan and we also had a radar head sitting at Kandahar in Afghanistan and then some support to naval assets as well that had air assets on board. I was actually in a co hut in a little room, which you could personalise a little bit.

They were bunks initially. I managed to break the bunk down, so it was at least a bed and then moved the furniture around, so, I felt like I had a little bit of floor, lots of, you know, you put lots of pictures up and, you know, you eventually go and buy sheets and a doona and all of those things to try and make it, at least, feel a little homey. Everything was always covered in that layer of dust and, yeah, the hours were long. So, the amount of time you actually spent there was very minimal, you know, we're working sort of six to six and a half days a week.

Recreation

We were co-located and living alongside all of the C-130 Herc Squadron that was deployed. So, we were in amongst other Aussies, even though we weren't co-located, working with them, we were working in the Combined Air Operations Centre. So, we were in a different part of the base, but being with them we were able to participate in some of their recreational things.

There was always a themed party going on. I was there over Christmas, so we managed to throw a Christmas lunch, which was really, really nice. We were, yeah, it was really curious. We had some, like the base itself was big, there were recreational areas, there was a cinema and there was McDonald's and a hamburger, like Hungry Jacks and a Pizza Hut and there was, you know, there were bars.

We had, everyone had a chit card that could get two drinks and there was a swimming pool, which, you know, everyone used to call Mantanistan, because there were all these guys that just used to go there to tan and, but it felt kind of normal in those moments where you could just sort of sit by water, water was sort of, water and anything green was always a big drawcard because it felt a little normal but I also, within the American side, I worked for a team of intelligence officers that were all female, which was really unusual.

So, I worked for a lieutenant colonel who was there A2 and she worked for a kind of full colonel who was also female. So, we would have some, she would throw a little dinner and we'd do that once a fortnight with her and some of the other Canadian and British girls as well. So, that was always, I really looked forward to that. It was a chance to sort of switch off and just talk normal things and then we were allowed off base sometimes, you know, with approvals. So, to be able to wander around a shopping centre and for me that was probably one of my favourite things to do because you would see families, Qatari families going shopping.

I remember one day there was this really young couple and they had their son with them who probably would have been a similar age to my son, and I just remember him sitting in the trolley, leaning back for kisses from Dad and, of course, those big signs of affection weren't so public, and I was watching and in the end they caught me watching. I sort of had to apologise.

I said, “Oh, I miss my son. He's at home.” So, there are little moments like that where you just sort of, that made it all worthwhile because otherwise the hours were long. The messes that we had, so many messes on base and everyone had a different theme depending on the night. That's how you remembered what day of the week it was, because you'd have Southern fried night or pizza night or some other weird Cajuny southern night where they had marshmallows in sweet potato and things that weren't so great.

My favourite meal was always breakfast because you could actually do oats and eggs and you could, and they weren't all sugary. I found a lot of the food really sugary and salty … I was there for Thanksgiving so I did get to see a Thanksgiving. We had Christmas and as Australians withinside the big air operations centre we used to put on morning tea and we would always have Tim Tams and that was a good currency withinside.

Assessing threat and risk mitigation

We were putting out daily intelligence reports. So, this would be a collation of looking at all of the threats, all of the attacks on aircraft and rocket attacks on bases, surface to air missiles, and looking at, you know, providing that collated amount of information, not just from our area of responsibility, but also looking at all of the provinces, pulling in our coalition information as well, and looking at it from Australian Rules of Engagement perspective.

It was also so that our commanders could make some decisions around the amount of risk they were willing to accept because some of the threats were high. We knew that there were surface to air missiles in theatre and on, and that was a high risk, but then you would have to look at what would be the likelihood that they would use those because they were so few or they might not have been serviceable and so through that, we were able to come up with some risk mitigation to be allowed to fly.

Otherwise, if you just had the threat at high, then, you know, we wouldn't let our aircraft off the ground. So, there was, you know, there was a lot of responsibility on my perspective to make sure that the information we're providing was correct, that we were providing that possibility and likelihood information for risk mitigation and making sure that we were questioning the integrity of the information coming in and not just taking it on face value, that it was a particular weapon that had been fired or a particular rocket that had been launched, you know, we'd look at some of the trending information, you know, because we'd been in theatre for a little while.

Is this normal for this time of year? Is this some, has the frequency increased? Are the attacks coming from different parts of the base? In addition to that, we were supporting the special operations guys on the ground too, making sure that they were getting the air targeting assets that they needed.

We were co-located with targeting and there were some big missions around that, too, and making sure that we were providing the information that we needed from an Australian perspective. Again, we had different rules of engagement and lots of armed conflict information that we needed to verify that was a little different to some of our coalition partners. So, again, another big area of responsibility around that too, targeting, yeah, it was tough at times …

They all came back into the intelligence surveillance, reconnaissance Division, part of the combined air operation centre, which, you know, imagine a big warehouse full of screens, everyone pulling in that information both from manned and unmanned aircraft. It all being collated. So, the advantage for us being co-located is that, you know, we could go and ask for particular information, work out where all of the units were, making sure that we were getting the best information, the most up to date information to be able to turn around and send out to our intelligence officers that were embedded with the various air units and do the briefings, you know, but at times it was hard.

I, there was, you know, there was a time where this one particular mission and we were listening to it, watching it in terms of, you know, bombs being dropped and then, you know, this feeling that there was this big elated cheer when we dropped the bomb on a designated target, which is our job. The cheering part, I found a little difficult to, you know, it wasn't very palatable because at the same time, for me, as a mum, it's somebody's son. It's somebody's dad at somebody's brother. He's doing what he thinks is the right thing to do. So, there were times like that, but it was, yeah, it was difficult as a girl inside that big organization.

Being under resourced

We're a small team. We had a team of four, yep, team of four and then within each of the squadrons, they had a small team as well. It really required, you know, there was a 24/7 presence, so the hours were long and I was one of the senior females of the Australian contingent that was there. So, along with that and one of the senior officers, so along with that came some other responsibilities.

If there was any female related issues, which sometimes there were, being on a base where there was alcohol and 15,000 people, sometimes there were behavioural issues that occurred and, you know, you needed to be on call for some of the girls.

Some of the Herc crew when they flew back doing a repatriation mission with a body and they wanted to download and sometimes, I didn't work directly with them, I wasn't part of the same squadron or in that chain of command, so they'd come and talk to me. So, there was work and there was the wider work and then there was how you decompress. So it was, it was a big, and then tried to interact with family at home, which just seemed so far away.

So, yeah, it was a really it was a tough, tough time … I guess the hardest part is trying to maintain our roles back home, manage the rotations. I was meant to be there for four month and so in my mind, when I agreed to go, I went, “I'll be there for November and December and it's Christmas and then before I know it, I'll be coming home.”

So, that was sort of how I, so, “It's only four months”, but I couldn't get a replacement in and I was on this week by week by week extension almost through to Easter, not knowing when I was going to go home, but also because I wasn't designated to be there for six months. I also didn't get my two weeks leave in the middle because I was on this week by week rotation.

So, yeah, it was really tough. We didn't, we were under resourced and I guess that's why it was really important that we developed those really strong connections with our allies so that we were relying on other information, but we were punching well above our weight in terms of what we were providing back into the collective bucket, but I think that's just part of the way Aussies are, we just worked and worked and worked and, yeah, it was, at the time you didn't, you don't think about it, you just do it because they were the resources that you had, but, you know, we could have done with more definitely could have done.

A visit to Kandahar

Yes, I went across to Kandahar to see my team over at the radar head and also to have a better appreciation as to how we were best supporting them there, you know, in the time that I was there. I think I was there for a week. I think we had four rocket attacks in the time I was there, you know, we're having to roll out of bed, hit the floor, put all your armour on, grab your rifle, and I was in a tent all by myself.

Crawl out to the bunker, hope at some point someone will remember where I am and tell me we could stand down, but those air signals were, yeah, it was definitely, it's a different feeling being over there versus where I had been and I think, too, there were times just to return back to Al Dueid for a minute, there were times where, you know, I felt people were really focused on what they were doing, for example, some of the aircraft squadron were just focused on getting the aircraft in the sky and recovering them, not really thinking about the mission.

So their big thoughts were, “When do we get to go into town to go into the souks to go shopping?” Whereas my head was always, “How do we support the teams that are supporting the guys on the ground and in theatre?” So, it was, so that sense over there you could feel there was that sense of a bit more sense of urgency, a bit more feeling of being on edge a little bit more, I think, at Kandahar, because we're in the middle of an active zone, you know, there was one day where I think it was the day we were due to go home.

We were in the herc ready to go and the air raid signal went off and we all had to sort of jump out of the aircraft, hit the deck down on the piano keys at the end of the runway and just wait to see where the rockets were going to land, you know, it was a definitely a different sense of urgency over there … or not just see the rockets land, like these were landing on base. So, they're landing in the base. So, this particular one was landing just behind where the Aussies were living and working but I knew, because of my job, that where I was lying, there'd been a rocket attack there two weeks earlier and the runway had been fixed.

Always looking for threat

We're always looking at threat. So, in intelligence, you know, you're always looking at the threat. What are their patterns of behaviour? What is their actual capability? How much, you know, what are they going to attack next? How do we keep our aircraft safe and our allies safe? How do, you know, we provide the right information to the commanders so they make the right decisions.

There's a real element of, you know, this is the picture but if you have a really good relationship with the aircrew or the commander that you're working with, you get to a point where you going, “This is the picture but you know what? My gut says this” and, you know, that's the human element in intelligence work and it's why sometimes we get it wrong, you know, the fear of the getting it wrong part is, if I get it wrong, it's not just, “Oh, we might have to limp home”, someone will die.

So there's that real element of, you know, responsibility … but no matter where you go, if there's an element of having to provide any sort of current intelligence, you don't switch off. You're always looking at what's happening in the world. Where's the next hot spot? Or, how might we have to be involved? And I did that for 25 years, you know, you don't switch off and you're always working at this sort of high level. There isn't much respite in that. People talk about respite postings, which I've never had in my whole entire life.

Health concerns

I got really sick, and I just think I was pushing my body. I was working long hours and when I was in Afghanistan, in Kandahar, I picked up an awful pneumonia. There's some reporting around it being a super pneumonia because of, you know, open burning of fecal pits and other chemicals and things that were located there.

That flight, after we'd been out on the ground and came home, I went straight back to work and I pulled a, I think I did 35, 40 hour shift to get some particular reporting out that we needed out. My team said to me, “You know, boss, you don't look great.” And I was sort of turning green.

I went home to my home, to my room, and started hallucinating. I rang our nursing officer because our doctor was away. They took me straight to the American hospital. Well, I can't remember much more after that. None of the medications was able to bring my temperature down. I didn't know this, but my dad had received a phone call from the American doctor to say, “She might not make it” and I was in hospital for two weeks.

So, again, there was this not concern for my own health, but I'm letting my team down because I'm sick in hospital. I'm going to lose my edge because I'm not going to be on top of the latest information. I'm, you know, I'm not useful right now as opposed to I need to take time to get better. So, there was, you know, there is that real element of having to be on all the time.

87 Squadron and Joint Operations Command

I was still with then, with 87 Squadron for another two years. So, I did another two years and, in that time, you know, there were lots of natural disasters. There was and some conflicts. There was the start of the Arab Spring. So, there was issues in Lebanon and Egypt and having to evacuate embassies and Australians and things.

So, we were still constantly preparing for that and then, yeah, 2011 I came down to Joint Operations Command and again I was in current intelligence looking at current operations, some to do with Middle East but I also, my job was looking after the rest of the world. So, there was Pacific and regional, there was Middle East and area of operations and then there was the rest of the world and basically the rest of the world was any other UN mission, any other, so, that was things like multinational force observers in Egypt.

We also had peacekeepers in Sudan and then, you know, ones and twos, they may have been embedded with a different nations and they might have been on a long look, say, with the Brits or with Americans or any natural disaster. Well, in that time, we had another big blow up in Syria. We had the tsunami in Japan. Again, it was relentless. It was a really, really busy, busy time and to try and, I had a small team again, I think there were only five of us looking after the rest of the world … and from an intelligence perspective, some of it is, you know, there's the environmental element can be a threat depending, you know, there can be disease.

There can be just general crime and security when a country's destabilised by a natural disaster. So, while it might necessarily be an enemy, there are still elements that you need to brief on to keep people safe. So, there's still elements that are required and so it was just, again, coming in to another job where you're at home, but you're at this sort of heightened level of responsibility all the time.

Snow skiing

I've always been an avid snow skier ever since I was little and I was really quite excited about the fact that I could take some time off work and go and ski for, you know, for the Air Force but it was also, it was a good break, as well as a good opportunity to do some networking and meet some other like-minded people but from different parts of the Air Force and so it was just another opportunity, I found, of being able to connect with the people that you're serving with.

But the Air Force comp was always down at Mount Hotham, and so we'd have a week down at Mount Hotham, racing, we'd have the ski school, instruct everybody, and then you'd race and then the following week you'd meet up with the Army and Navy, and you'd all race against each other and that was normally at Perisher and then there was the opportunity every few years to be able to go away with the ADF team if you were at that level and that was generally to Europe and you would race against some of the European forces, British combined forces and Canadians, Americans.

So, I jumped on board with that very early in my career and was the RAF champion for a number of years and was ADF champion for a number of years too. So, and got to go away once, early on in my career, I got to go to Europe and ski for six weeks, which was quite amazing. I think I did okay. A lot of them, they are mostly skiers that do a little bit of military service, particularly, I think the Austrians and the French because they've got national service.

So, a lot of them were Olympians and world champions that would do some military service on the side. Against the British forces, I beat a lot of the British girls, that was a good comp for me and some of the British boys and our own boys but, gee, it was it was an amazing experience and I guess it's one of the, you know, the happy memories that I have and some of the strong connections that I made through my time in the military and it was great as my career went on, because you got to say, like when I was deployed in in the Middle East, you know, some of the guys I'd skied with were the det commanders that I was supporting.

So, you weren't just working with them professionally, you had a friendship, and you were able to work with them and build that rapport and integrity of, and trust in a different way. So, yeah, so that was really quite amazing. Sadly, as I progressed further in my career, I didn't get to go as often because it just the timing was never great.

Bodybuilding

Bodybuilding came about in a really unusual way. I had been having a lot of trouble having children and ended up needing medical assistance to do that and I'd had some really awful losses and just felt my whole body was letting me down and so I jumped on board with one of these 12-week challenges to try and focus on something else for a little bit.

Then I did one and then I did another one, and then I met some girls that sort of said, you know, “This is what we do.” And I said, “ I couldn't do that and they said, “Well, why not?” So, I set it as a goal and I ended up doing the ADF competition and some state competitions.

I won the ADF competition as a novice … you build muscle as well, but it's more about the combination of the two together and then how you look on the day that you step onto the stage. Actually, all the hard work has already been done, what happens that day, you know, is neither here nor there really. It's all of that culmination of hard work prior and for me it was, you know, it was a good 12 months of hard work and, you know, and it was then within two months that I was successful.

So, you know, and the day that I left the Middle East, I got called over to the main theatre floor which had massive screens, warehouse sized screen, and as my farewell, they decided to put the picture up of me bodybuilding, you know, like, but it's some of those funny things that have happened in the time that you just think, you know, people value what you do, people respect what you do. People give you a hard time and normally that's a pretty good indication that, you know, they thought you're a pretty decent person.

Pride in service

In service I was very proud of my time and, you know, would march and would go and give speeches at schools and do all sorts of things when I was in uniform. When I had left the service and that wasn't by my choice, I think there's so much focus on the end of a career when you're medically discharged on the things that were broken as opposed to the amazing achievements and so I found it difficult to participate initially because I felt I was not deserving.

That's changed, you know, it's been a few years now and, you know, I am very proud of my service and I think as time goes on and you realise that who I saw as a veteran, that definition of a World War Two veteran or a Vietnam veteran, there are few World War two veterans left and those that are, Vietnam vets are also, you know, they're an aging population and most veterans are like me and I think that's taken a little bit to realise that and it's only sometimes when I say to someone that, you know, “I served just shy of 25 years”, they like, “Oh, wow, that's a really considerable amount of time”, “Oh, yeah” but it actually is. There's a lot in there to be proud of.

Keeping history alive

I think I certainly wouldn't have had the career that I had if it hadn't been for firstly the encouragement of my mum and dad and sort of a nod to my grandfather who had been in the Air Force. I think that was really important, too. I have a cousin serving in the Navy and now there's some of the next generation that are starting to join, their kids, my cousin's kids are starting to join and so I know that they have looked up to us as in our service.

So, I think it's important to be able to tell stories like this and keep history alive, you know, we don't have the old letter writing and things that used to happen back from the trenches and I think it's really important that we try and capture service beyond, you know, what you end up taking on your iPhone because it doesn't get shared in the same way and I think it's important that I provide this so that my son has a better understanding of what I did and then grandchildren one day. I think that's really important that we capture this and remember, I think it's the remembering.